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https://lit.trainroll.xyz/wiki/Recommended_Reading >Jung's beliefs on feminine and masculine energies may now be considered outdated as they did not consider the experiences of transgender, gender-diverse, and non-heterosexual individuals. Sam Hyde hates Pynchon & The Crying of Lot 49
https://youtu.be/ZkHGg5S2pZI?t=238 It's fiction in general just infodumps or that is mostly a tolkien and anime thing in general?
By infodump I mean the story basically is learning details after details of the characters, their lore and their 3 layers of conflict. Was Othello really supposed to be Sub Saharan African or just swarthy? Can he be played by white men in blackface? Bataille said we only become fully human in moments where we break through usefulness, when we waste, when we sacrifice. That hit me hard. It made me think about how much of life feels trapped in utility. What do you think of his writing? >The white race is the cancer of human history; it is the white race and it alone—its ideologies and inventions—which eradicates autonomous civilizations wherever it spreads, which has upset the ecological balance of the planet, which now threatens the very existence of life itself. - Susan Sontag 
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Welcome to /Wbg/, the official thread for the discussion and development of fictional worlds and settings.
Here is where you can share the details of your created worlds such as lore, factions, magic systems, ecosystems and more. You can also post maps for your settings, as well as any relevant art, either created by you or used as inspiration for your work. Please remember that dialogue is what keeps the thread alive, so don't be afraid of giving someone feedback!
FAQ:
>What is worldbuilding?
Worldbuilding is the process of creating entire fictional worlds from scratch, all while considering the logistics of these worlds to make them as believable as possible. Worldbuilding asks questions about the setting of a world, and then answers them, often in great detail. Most people use it as a means of creating a setting or the scenery for a story.
>"Isn't there a Worldbuilding general in >>>/tg/ already?"
Yes, there is. However, that general is focused on the creation of fictional worlds for the intended purpose of playing TTRPG campaigns. Here you can discuss worldbuilding projects that are not meant to be used for a roleplaying setting, but for novels, videogames, or any other kind of creative project.
>"Can I discuss the setting of my campaign here, though?"
If you want to, but it would probably be better to discuss it on >>>/tg/ . We don't allow the discussion of TTRPG mechanics, however. If you want to discuss stats or which D&D edition is best, this is not the place.
>"Can I talk about an existing fictional setting that is not mine?"
Yes, of course you can!
>"Does worldbuilding need to be about fantasy and elves?"
Worldbuilding, as already stated above, and contrary to what many believe, does not inherently imply blatantly copying Tolkien. In fact, there are many science-fiction setting out there, and even entire alternative history settings which do not possess supernatural elements at all. Any kind of science fiction book has an implied setting at least, which involves a certain degree of worldbuilding put into it.
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What remains when physics dies and metaphysics fails to answer?
Cormac McCarthy, the man who could describe a sunrise with the same terror that others describe a personality breakdown, returns with The Passenger, the penultimate book of his life and perhaps his most difficult. Or, if you prefer, his most honestly delusional.
The plot—that is, as much as he lets on behind the heavy curtain of innuendo—revolves around Robert Western, a former physicist, who wanders like a guilty man who has forgotten his crime, in the resounding echo of the absence of his sister, Alicia, a mathematical genius with schizophrenic tendencies and a clown (literally) for an inner voice. If that sounds too literary to you, wait until you read the dialogue.
McCarthy constructs a novel on the border between metaphysical thriller and ontological deathbed rehearsal, where conversations about elementary particles carry the same emotional weight as the loss of a loved one. Robert doesn’t chase the truth—he lets it chase him. And he’s always three steps ahead and ten levels more fundamental than he realizes.
The book’s humor is almost trapped in the dark matter—it’s there, but only if you’ve been trained for years to read Shakespeare’s innuendos, Beckett’s silences, and Kafka’s meaningful gaps.
The plot, to be fair, doesn’t interest the author as much as the slow, elegiac farewell to rational faith—whether that be called science or god. Alicia, despite her absence, is the true protagonist. A modern-day Antigone with mathematical equations instead of tombs, refusing to come to terms with a world where intellect is incompatible with existence.
Through it all, McCarthy writes with a sacred commitment to the truth of grief and ignorance. No one knows why they suffer, but everyone suffers. The Passenger is not a book to be read—it is a book that lets you accompany it to the edge of thought, only to abandon you there.
If I could sum up the book in one sentence: It is like trying to explain quantum mechanics to a bereaved person, in the hope that they will love you for the effort.
The long tradition of the novel has been forever concerned with the human condition. That we know others better, and ourselves. Mccarthy's last token to literature follows in the same footsteps, but here the lens is turned to what is most fundamental in the human condition: of unknowing. That our instrument to probe the world isn't enough; that we can't ever fully know the world or ourselves in it, and that there is great sadness in knowing this. Holy shit, I didn't think they were allowed to write about this kind of stuff in the Thirties. Any book recs if you liked reading Harassment Architecture? Or just another mediocre young adult fiction? >if your wife is fucking someone, s-she's just hurting herself you know, just ignore her
is this the cuckest philosophy of all time? why were the stoics such cucks? 
Hey /lit/. I need help understanding Plato's forms.
I'm going to ramble a bit, and hopefully a kind anon can help organize my thoughts.
From what I've gathered, Plato's forms were an attempt to reconcile the claims made by two philosophers related to Being and Becoming.
The first philosopher is Heraclitus. His quote "you never step foot in the same river twice" betrays his worldview - everything is changing, and so all is BECOMING - nothing really "is".
The second philosopher is Parmenides. His claim was that since we cannot conceive of "nothing", everything IS - and so necessarily, everything is BEING. Parmenides uses this reasoning to claim that change and difference are illusions which betray a greater reality - the reality that everything is One.
For Plato, Forms exist within a metaphysical plane which we access through the application of reason - each physical object participates in the Form of a metaphysical duplicate which resides in the metaphysical plane, and each of these Forms is subordinate to an ultimate Form of the Good - also called The One. In this way, we can account for both Being and Becoming. The imperfect world we experience is one of difference, but that difference is downstream from an undifferentiated metaphysical layer of experience inaccessible to us.
The Theory of Forms also accounts for stuff related to epistemology - the source of knowledge and the mechanism by which we acquire it.
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"There is something in the soul which is uncreated and uncreatable; if the whole soul were such, it would be uncreated and uncreatable; and this is the Intellect." —Meister Eckhart
.gg/ANqZbuAS Why is this book so highly rated? It's a decent read but I'm not sure why people rate it above his other work. I just finished it a few hours ago and have been shocked by how little of an impact it's made on me. What book felt like a (you) when you read it? Have you ever dated a bookfu? Say Something About This Man. 
I'm getting filtered by Fichte's views on predestination in the System of Ethics. It seems that the argument goes like this: "The limitations that your drive experiences are absolute and not grounded in a not-I - after all, you posit the not-I because of these limitations. Therefore they are not caused by anything, therefore they are themselves absolute and hence predetermined outside of time." But isn't that retarded? The limitations are only absolute from a transcendental perspective, in reality they are grounded in the world around you. The transcendental stance is never supposed to tell you what's "really going on", it's a reflection on the ordinary stance that allows for freedom, explains why the world must be coherent, etc. Isn't one of Fichte's main ideas that the real and ideal grounds are one and the same? But here it seems like he's reifying the ideal and saying "ackshually everything is predetermined because your limits (seeing x, hearing y, feeling z) are absolute and prior to nature lol." I thought the limit was only prior to nature when viewed from one side.
Fichte was no fool, so far every time I think he's wrong, I realize I've misunderstood him. Help me see why I'm wrong. This is a big heckin' part of his theory of history too so it's not a side issue by any means. I'm not getting into how he reconciles predestination and free will because I understand this even less and he retracted some of his own arguments on that point as they're given in SoE.
Relevant passage for context: "If we now combine all these individual limitations [viz. sensations, feelings, anything you experience], which occur as such only *in time*, and if we think of them as our original constitution *prior to all time* and *outside of all time*, we are then thinking the *absolute limits* of the original drive itself [viz. your whole complex of desires, good and bad]. This is a drive that just happens to be such that it is directed only at this, only at an efficacy in such a determinate series, and it cannot be directed at something else; this is simply houw it is. Our entire world, our inner as well as our outer world (only insofar as the former is actually a world), is thereby pre-established for us for all eternity. I said 'only insofar as it actually is a world,' i.e. insofar as it is something objective within us. What is merely subjective, i.e. self-determination, is not pre-established; hence we act freely." (Part II, §7, Proof) This is the best book with the word dune in the title Forsooth. I like this word. I say "exactly" "yeah" "you're right" a lot to bump discussion and conversational flow. I feel this word just works better.
Forsooth.
(Now that I have adopted it into my lexicon, so will everyone else here and eventually everywhere online.) 
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All Classical languages are welcome. Favourite audiobooks?
I really enjoyed Journey to the End of the Night read by David Colacci and The Machiavellians read by Jeff Riggenbach. 1. “Ariel” - André Maurois
2. “A Farewell to Arms” - Ernest Hemingway
3. “Poet’s Pub” - Eric Linklater
4. “Madame Claire” - Susan Ertz
5. “The Unpleasantness at the Bellona” - Dorothy L. Sayers
6. “The Mysterious Affair at Styles” - Agatha Christie
7. “Twenty-Five” - Beverley Nichols
8. “William” - E. H. Young
9. “Gone to Earth” - Mary Webb
10. “Carnival” - Compton Mackenzie
Have you read any of these books? Me, I’ve only read A Farewell to Arms, but I have the facsimile set so I own all these books and want to at least read the Agatha Christie, Dorothy Sayers, and André Maurois titles, too. Why bother reading writers who are just in it for the money or social points, not because they actually care about what they're saying? i noticed that reading doesnt make me smarter
what now? >writes about nothing and story is easily forgettable the moment it's finished
I just don't get it. Why are all the most successful latin american writers either mestizo or criollo, and not indigenous? but since i still havent fully finished it, i'd really like to just talk about page 14, where Humbert is describing the furthest he got with Annabel, and i just think the page is actually written incredibly beautifully, i especially like the line "her head would bend with a sleepy, soft, drooping movement that was almost woeful", the word 'woeful' speaks to me in a way i can't describe, and it's all so incredibly natural and raw. "her bare knees caught and compressed my wrist, and slackened again" Is a line so incredibly smutty and realistic for it's time (as is the whole book) and i just think all of it captures two teens experimenting, perfectly. Just this entire page lives rent free in my head and i hope someone gets it as i do. Saul Bellow is my favorite so far Faulkner:
>Writer of corncobby chronicles. To consider them masterpieces is an absurd delusion. A nonentity, means absolutely nothing to me.
Borges:
>At first Véra and I were delighted by reading him. We felt we were on a portico, but we have learned that there was no house.
Freud:
>A figure of fun. Loathe him. Vile deceit. Freudian interpretation of dreams is charlatanic, and satanic, nonsense.
>Let the credulous and the vulgar continue to believe that all mental woes can be cured by a daily application of old Greek myths to their private parts. I really do not care.
Eliot:
>Now, having shaken off that stupor, I find the latter anagrimes with “Proust” while “T. S. Eliot” goes well with “toilets.”
James:
>I have not read a book (save for a collection of Henry James’ short stories—miserable stuff, a complete fake, you ought to debunk that pale porpoise and his plush vulgarities some day) nor written a word since I left Cambridge. I used to be able to read books as a kid and it would play out like a movie in my mind. Everything would be vivid and I would fill in things with my imagination. Now, as an adult, it’s all just words on a page and completely black and soulless. This is why I currently hate reading. Can I ever get it back? is it over? >see important political or social movement
>look who's behind it
>it's by wealthy bankers and shadowy lobbyist types
why does this keep happening? are there any books that actually pinpoint when shady hidden figures started pulling the strings from behind the scenes? Should more men read Jane Austen and more women read Ernest Hemingway? 
Modern scientific developments increasingly point toward panpsychism, suggesting that mind and matter are inseparable across all levels of existence. If life’s unfolding is guided by a psychophysical principle, we must reexamine longstanding taboos - chief among them, the condemnation of human sacrifice.
First, any sacrifice necessarily “orients” toward a specific end. The value and significance of the gift are defined by its intended recipient and context. In this light, offering a human life to a theriomorphic deity, one that merges animal form with divine purpose, represents the ultimate acknowledgment of a cosmic telos woven into evolution itself. Notably, the early Aryans of the Pontic–Caspian steppes lacked such zoomorphic divinities, as evidenced by the Rig Veda; their rituals, while profound, did not include human-animal hybrids as avatars of higher consciousness.
By contrast, human sacrifices directed at theriomorphic gods appear across a spectrum of ancient civilizations, the Aztecs, Egyptians, post-orientalizing Greeks, Mesopotamians, Indians, and Chinese, each ritual indicating that life transcends our present ape-man form. When a human victim is offered, onlookers confront the raw immediacy of another’s suffering. This visceral encounter can shatter ordinary consciousness, allowing fragments of past or future incarnations to permeate the ritual space, in accordance with metempsychosis.
While sacrifice to anthropomorphic deities can empower a polity, imbuing its people with heightened vitality, it remains a lower form of communion compared to offerings made to theriomorphic entities or to the Earth itself. Tree-grove sacrifices, ubiquitous in many traditions, enact a dialogue with Gaia as a living superorganism. Yet because our current incarnation is but one link in a vast chain of rebirths, the supreme act is to surrender ourselves wholly to a divine, non-human purpose.
I am compelled by this metaphysical framework to honor the most profound expression of cosmic intention: a human life consecrated to a theriomorphic god. Legal proscriptions render such acts impossible under modern law, so this remains a speculative defense rather than a call to action. Please focus your critique on the underlying metaphysics and presuppositions, rather than on moralizing or legal objections.
Indeed, human sacrifice persists today, offered not at ancient altars, but to the idol of technology and the relentless pursuit of progress at the expense of all higher values.
Any books defending the value of human sacrifice? how much does the version of the text you want to read matter, went to Barnes & Noble recently and all they had were Penguin reprints of all the classics, is this an adequate version for most classical books? What’s the book that explores this? People are found out to be clones of their parents, who do the same things only under a different banner. What am I in for French realist bros? Aren't books just packaging paper for people who want their shelves to look smart on Zoom at this point? >turns his neurosis into a philosophy
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So I've kind of been thinking about maybe giving it a shot reading Dune, but I have to confess I've always been a bit intimated by it. I never either the new or old movie of it.
I guess from what I have just heard it's that Dune has a gratuitously complex plot, with the source material “notoriously impenetrable”. You commonly hear it described as “sprawling” and “dense”, therefore, people who have managed to digest it often settle into a palpable smugness over that achievement. I know it's considered to be a pillar of the science-fiction genre, and I always hear people compare it to like Lord of the Rings. But Lord of the Rings wasn't really that complex so I don't get that.
The other thing I heard is that much of the story is devoted to sci-fi bureaucracy. Which elites have import/export rights in which provinces? What are the specific bylaws governing a leadership transition? If someone wants to lodge a complaint, which regulatory body must they contact? A friend told me for example one minor character is introduced as a member of one organizational hierarchy, but turns out to be simultaneously holding an important position in another org chart. And that it centers I guess around the Duke's son who is the chosen one and feels extreme pressure because people keep handing his father planets, better and better planets, only his dad keeps ruining them.
Is this like The Book of the New Sun type complicated? Does reading on the toilet defile the book? Franky Frank wrote Paul Atreides to be an evil messianic figure but people who read the books see him as the good hero. Who's wrong? Paradise Lost made me a poet. I am a published poet because I read it as a teenager. And I think you should read it if you have not already.
It is amazing, the best epic poem in English, beyond Beowulf and Canterbury Tales.
This dramatic reading of Paradise Lost got me into poetry as a teenager. I am currently a student teacher but I don't think I can get students into poetry :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw6adXO2RLQ what are some gems you found in a used book store? This is not your regular book. what’s the consensus on picrel What are your thoughts on using fiction to understand human behavior?
What is the purpose of literary fiction more generally? >commie
>more redpilled than Nietzsche and Schopenhauer
How can this be explained? What are some books similar to the Blair Witch Project? >Nietzsche: I don't believe in god because pussies need god
>Tate: I believe in god because it will make me more powerful, I feel more powerful when I believe in god.
Who's right? Anyone on /lit/ ever use this site or a similar one? It had a more popular sister site called allpoetry.
Pretty sure i visited a few years back and it was dead.
I have fond memories of talking about writing in the forums and aquiring trophies through group contests. Good times. >scores the highest among hundreds on the British civil service exam
>quits his comfy civil service job to write poetry
>lives in poverty writing poverty and reviews
>moves to the US alone at the age of 24
>works several random unfulfilling jobs
>works at an oil company for a decade and becomes rich
>gets fired due to alcoholism, flirting with secretaries and random suicide threats
>spends a year unemployed reading pulp magazines and teaching himself how to master the genre
>first story published at the age of 44
>first novel published aged 51
>establishes a unique style of writing which inspires various imitators
>becomes a master of the detective genre but despises being called a detective writer
>gets rich again writing screenplays
>drops out and becomes an alcoholic
Raymond Chandler? More like Raymond Chadler. >david chalmers in podcast
>sounds about as profound as a stoner 15 year old.
What are these "philosophers" even doing or contributing? 
What are you reading? Any good horror you've read recently?
I'm constantly reading to complete and improve on this chart I made 1.5 years ago, and to get a better understanding of horror literature in general.
Recently finished The Case Against Satan by Ray Russell, and currently reading The Elementals by Michael McDowell.
The Case Against Satan was pretty good. It's very clear to see the massive influence it had over both Rosemary's Baby and especially The Exorcist. Russell's collection Haunted Castles is superb though, and still the book I'd recommend to someone who wants to check out his works.
There's tons of possible books that could be added to this chart (and I'm not going to list them all), but the ones I've read so far and want to add to the next iteration are:
>Horace Walpole - The Castle of Otranto
>Nikolai Gogol - "St. John's Eve", "A Terrible Vengeance", "Viy"
>Jeremias Gotthelf - The Black Spider
>Hanns Heinz Ewers - Alraune
>Edogawa Ranpo - "The Human Chair", "The Caterpillar"
>Jean Ray - Malpertuis
>Roland Topor - The Tenant
>Harlan Ellison - "I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream"
>Giorgio de Maria - The Twenty Days of Turin
>Karl Edward Wagner - In a Lonely Place This board is /his/ for women. >"B-but they control everything and they're the reason my life sucks".
Antisemitism=Envy/Contempt for The Powerful=Slave Morality. The Secret Garden is a classic children’s novel written by Frances Hodgson Burnett, first published in 1911. It's a story about healing, transformation, and the restorative power of nature and friendship. >demonstrably incorrect about biology, physics, cosmology, logic
Why should he be taken seriously about anything? Just stick to Plato, lol What are some of your favorite occult works? Let us post and discuss them. >try reading pic related
>first chapter's sentence begins with a logical fallacy
>goes on immediately after that crying about the horror of anti semitism, flat earth criticism, all while sprinkled with reddit tier humor Can modernity and going on an adventure co-exist? why is this nigger famous again?
his entire "kindness" is invented by the weak is nothing but a genetic fallacy
you don't judge a value of a thing by its origin, if a weak gives you the blueprint for making the fastest computer it would be retarded to reject it
his attack on truth and reason and fucking law of identity is a joke
if there is no real identity then why the fuck larp about will to power? The next generation of writers will be taught through generic youtube videos about how exactly to plot your book, step by step. From grifters who couldnt sell their own books, and now sell how to write books
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Not that it matters, we got all the knowledge we need anyway, got enough books and movies How do you get good? I want to be able to write those big complicated sentences that are intuitive to read and parse but I can't quite get down using commas, em-dashes and semicolons in those ways so they always end up as terrible run-ons. Any good books on this? Google just keeps giving me the same bullshit prescription advice which is probably my problem, I only understand these punctuation marks in their overly simplified prescription uses. >scroll scroll click
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>scroll scroll click has anyone else started to read much less after realizing 99% of books are simply wasted time and most of remaining 1% is not necessary? even most of big books are overrated. There is a lesbian rape scene in That Hideous Strength. I really was not expecting this from CS Lewis, it was so outlandish that it made me laugh when I got to it. This book is so good. >I went to the trench
>We got pounded by artillery
>Pvt. Hans got his balls blown off in a most unlucky manner
>I stood guard for 8 hours and it was really boring
>Relieved for 2 weeks
>This repeats for 300 pages
What a fucking snoozefest. Just finished, just started, in the middle of, whatever’s new Best: Aeneas, a pious brave man. Diomedes was good too
Worst: Ulysses
Picture unrelated I like how clear his commentary is, and he actually recommends a lot of stuff I’ve never heard of.
He’s mostly fiction-focused, but honestly, he’s the only booktuber I still watch. Everyone else feels either pretentious or boring as hell. You like Dostoevsky? His early work was a little too light novella for my tastes, but when Crime and Punishment came out in '66, I think he really came into his own, commercially and artistically. The whole novel has a clear, crisp thematic basis, and a new sheen of intimate characterization that really gives the narrative a big boost. He's been compared to Gogol, but I think Fyodor Mikhailovich has a far more bitter, cynical sense of humor.
In '79, Huey released this, The Brothers Karamazov, his most accomplished novel. I think his undisputed masterpiece is Notes from Underground, a book so layered in contemporary critiques of rationalism, most people probably don't read into the subtext. But they should, because it's not just about the experience of alienation, and the importance of human caprice, it's also a personal statement about the writer himself. People said this was a tear-jerker but wow I haven't cried reading a book for a while. What a nice thought-provoking little novel. GET TO THE FUCKING POINT ALREADY YOU STUPID KRAUT A good story would invite the reader to laugh at a character like Alexei and his troubles. A bad story would demand the reader sympathise with him. This is not a good story. >start reading Finnegans wake
>it’s actually good
I will never forgive plotfags for trying to tarnish its legacy That's it I'm leaving this site and never coming back. I was only supposed to be here for four months during lockdowns, now it's been four years. I'm requesting a transfer back to the city. baby shoes for sale, never worn. ITT:
1. the character you related the most with
2. the character you wished you could emulate irl Share + Critique + Suffer
Image courtesy of the surreal fake-tabletop game VERMIS. Do men who read literature make good partners? Why does this series attract the same species of autistic person What is the most /lit/ school of Buddhism? Why is it that bookish men struggle so much to find love and become alienated from society? They all inevitably become Underground Men or if Holden Caulfield never grew up Is the description of the shield of achilles in the Iliad the most beautiful piece of literature? Modernity has desacrilized the human body and democratic capitalist society has applied the impersonal rules of the market and the mass production technique to the erotic life. Those powers have made the freedom of love into a servitude, and in it there's another totalitarianism. What are some tips on how to write from the POV of a mentally challenged person? How can I make it sound convincing?
>inb4 just write like you normally do
Haha yea, I know, I know but seriously. >fav translation and char
I will start. Fitzgerald and Sarpedon If we all die and then its like before we were born then whats the point of racism and reading books? We wont be here so the world wont matter and wont keep the knowledge. So just have sex then because thats all we want anyway. Also enjoy and walk with nature. When did you realize he was right about Christianity? why does italian have 9 different translations of Ulysses? Even as I spend a lot of my time reading (and enjoying myself in the process) I get the distressing vibe that most of it is streamlined. Sure, I can grow obsessed with, say, Sufi poetry or North Asian history and dive in it for a spell; but I feel as if all the referential material, the branching and so-called ''findings'' had been locked beforehand and arbitrarily so. That I am sort of burrowing in the dark.
Like, why does one read what one reads? What's really involved in the sorting and picking through a hopelessly vast wealth of resources? A friend's passing recommendation? The alleged connection with an author? The fact that a tradition of petulant scholars hold a certain volume to be great? That it holds a startling average rating in GoodReads? ChatGPT? Its repute, or rather its obscurity? Which landmarks are to be trusted: epoch, movement, style, gut?
The whimsicality of it all exhausts me.
How do you usually look for the good stuff and pave your way through lit? 
>"Picture Lee in 1963, coming home to a simple wooden cabin at the base of the Smoky Mountains. Beside her is a struggling writer named Cormac McCarthy. The newlyweds cross the threshold with their infant son and try to become a family. You can hear katydids, crickets, and tree frogs. You can hear a nearby creek flowing into Little Pigeon River."
>"The coupling doesn’t last long. Lee will eventually leave and head West, telling her version of the split in a poem I heard her read again and again. Transported back to “the front porch of a farmhouse near Pigeon Forge,” she says: “You don’t act as if you want a wife and baby. You act as if you want to be single again.”"
>“I guess that’s right,” the man says. I picture Lee packing a suitcase that she drags to the porch where Cormac waits.
>“But what will you do?” the man in the poem says to Lee, “Be a whore?”
>"I’m sure it takes just a moment. Then Lee is back in the house. Her jaw tight. Her stomach on fire. She wouldn’t be crying. She would be kicking a pair of boots out of her way. I see Lee sliding the mattress, dragging it onto the front lawn. She can’t find gasoline, but she’s looking. “I tried to burn the mattress” she writes. She tries to incinerate the centerpiece of their domestic life. Rest, time, the sheets softening each week, Lee wants to light it on fire.
>"Many of us are well acquainted with the mythology of Cormac’s penniless writerly origin story. In Richard Woodward’s 1992 profile of him in the New York Times, he asks Cormac if he ever paid alimony, “‘With what?’ Cormac snorts” [...] We also now know that Cormac was poor on purpose and that he will eventually fall in love with a 16-year-old girl the same age as his and Lee’s son, convincing the girl that Lee’s clan “detested” him and “forbade them from being together.” Yet when I’m combing through the depositions Lee gave during the censorship battles she fought as a schoolteacher in the 1970s and 1980s, she testifies that she tried for many years to reconcile with Cormac, her only son’s father."
https://lithub.com/leaving-cormac-life-lessons-from-my-correspondence-with-lee-mccarthy/
Why was he like this? Should we abolish matrimony and embrace polygamy? If you could choose one author whose work has most profoundly reshaped the way you perceive the world around you - who would that be, and what specific ideas or writings of theirs left a lasting, positive imprint on your life?" >Bill Gass is a Midwestern alpha-male boa constrictor who tried to swallow Nabokov whole but whose jaws, though large, did not unhinge sufficiently. You all slurp up post-ironic autofiction dreck but act like Rabbit, Run isn’t one of the most devastating portraits of American malaise ever written. The entire Rabbit series charts the decline of the American Dream better than any sociology textbook and he does it with prose so good it makes your MFA darlings look like they’re finger painting in a dimly lit bathroom. Updike saw what was coming: consumerism, spiritual rot, sexual confusion, political ambivalence and he filtered it all through one ex-jock who just wants to coast through life without thinking too hard. That’s America, baby. Rabbit is America. Can AI/chatgpt be used to quickly churn out mid-tier books for sale? I quit my career and am heading to SEA and am thinking about becoming a writer. The only people I can think fiction writers who tried putting Marxism in fiction but the only ones I can maybe think of are bogdanov and picrel
>Most soviet(/self proclaimed socialist state) writers never feel attached to Marxism for the most part
>Terry eagleton was a literary critic
>That German guy who made three penny opera and other plays was a playwrite and so are most of the artists who are Marxists
Thoughts? What are some serious and important books to read? I've spent the last year reading fantasy and some sci fi but have come to the conclusion it's mostly entertainment trash and not much different than a movie or tv show.
What are some books that are of profound artistic value, that don't come across as cheap but as important and life-changing classics that you can considering a worthy investment in your life? How can people read so much?
A book of 300 pages usually takes 8 hours on average to be read. That's a lot of hours... 
>Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Phenomenology of Spirit
>Immanuel Kant - Critique of Pure Reason
>Johann Wolfgang von Goethe - Faust
>Friedrich Nietzsche - Thus Spoke Zarathustra
>Martin Heidegger - Being and Time
>Karl Marx - Capital
>Max Weber - The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism
>Friedrich Schiller - The Robbers
>Arthur Schopenhauer - The World as Will and Representation
>Johann Gottlieb Fichte - The Science of Knowledge
>Friedrich Wilhelm Joseph Schelling - System of Transcendental Idealism
>Theodor W. Adorno - Minima Moralia
>Jürgen Habermas - The Structural Transformation of the Public Sphere
>Hans-Georg Gadamer - Truth and Method
>Herbert Marcuse - One-Dimensional Man
>Meister Eckhart - Sermons and Treatises
>Jakob Böhme - Aurora
>Johann Christoph Friedrich von Schiller - The Robbers
>Gotthold Ephraim Lessing - Laocoön
>Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz - Theodicy
>Friedrich Hölderlin - Hyperion
>Jacob Grimm & Wilhelm Grimm - Fairy Tales
>Carl Jung - The Red Book
>Sigmund Freud - The Interpretation of Dreams
>Ernst Jünger - Storm of Steel
>Oswald Spengler - The Decline of the West
>E.T.A. Hoffmann - The Sandman
>Günter Grass - The Tin Drum
>Hermann Hesse - Steppenwolf
>Thomas Mann - The Magic Mountain
>Robert Musil - The Man Without Qualities
>Franz Kafka - The Castle
>Rainer Maria Rilke - The Notebooks of Malte Laurids Brigge
>Hermann Broch - The Sleepwalkers
>Alfred Döblin - Berlin Alexanderplatz
>Heinrich Heine - The Book of Songs
>Georg Büchner - Woyzeck
>Walther von der Vogelweide - Minnesang
>Wolfram von Eschenbach - Parzival
>Hildegard von Bingen - Mystical Writings
>Anonymous - Nibelungenlied
>Hans Sachs - Meistersang
>Sebastian Brant - The Ship of Fools
>Martin Opitz - Deutsche Poeterey
>Andreas Gryphius - Catharina
>Grimmelshausen - Simplicissimus
>Gotthold E. Lessing - Nathan the Wise
>Herder - Philosophy of History
>Novalis - Hymns to the Night
How familiar is /lit/ with the german canon?
Can any other country even compete? is fruity ahh sugar plum down low brother
the three body coverage was kino Why /lit/ lack mystical experience? aren't there enough books already? Give it a few years and people will recognize its genius. Mary Flannery O'Connor died of lupus at age 39. Friends and family say she never had a romantic partner. ITT: Taschen coffee table books we post books that we truly HATE! Are there any books that talk about why and how modern society became so obsessed with sex? What am I in for?
Is the Book of Mormon real - and from Africa? Was it really written in Ge'ez???? Like Enoch The negative thoughts in my mind goes away as soon as I start reading Do you support the Galactic Empire or the Free Planets Alliance? I'm so crushingly depressed by the advent of AI and badly wish I could go back to the pre-2020 world before all this nonsense. I feel cheated because all artistic endeavors feel so futile and worthless now. If only I was born 50 or even 10 years earlier. Any contemporary essays about how depressing all this is? I've actually found this quite inspiring and uplifting, even if Brutal. Why are men wasting their time listening and reading Jorden Peterson or whoever is the current self-help guru of the year if this exists? >Here, the house is big and spacious and luxuriously comfortable. The sink is big and clean. The stove is gradually becoming more of a friend. (July 1951) How do I get into math for fun? I've done some college classes like calc already and I was meh in them, if that's worth anything for where I should start I know this book is praised but why is it not recognized as one of, if not the best American novel of the twentieth century? Cather’s writing and characterization in this is some of the best ever jotted down >supposing truth were a tranny—what then? If during Shakespeare's time only 10% of all people were literate and today that number has risen to 85%, shouldn't there be more authors of Shakespeare's caliber working today? >Moral absolutes do not exist and are actually bad
>No, violence is never the answer. It is evil
Did it just never occur to him that I should be allowed to rip his genitals from his groin and force him to eat them? Why does all progressivism always just boil down to a celebration of desire and craving disguised as "liberation"? I have a poetry submission that has been in-progress for 2 months, and I revised a couple verses since submitting it. I don't think the revisions are large enough to affect whether the editor would reject or accept the work, but they're changes I believe improve the quality of those verses. My problem is that I'm unsure if requesting an edit would slow down my submission's review process or bother the staff.
Should I trouble the journal's staff with an edit request, or—if I were to be accepted—would I be able to edit my submission prior to publication? If there is "haven't" and "isn't", then there should also be "amn't"
Example: "I amn't available right now." I am about 400 pages into The Count of Monte Cristo and I loved the first part, especially the prison segment. I don't hate it but the 3rd person perspective stories about Dante and all of the Italian guy shit are getting old. Does the story ever get as good as it was in the prison or is it all downhill? Othello (Oval Projects Ltd, 1983)
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/24326372
Lady Chatterley's Lover (Knockabout Publications, 1986)
https://desuarchive.org/aco/thread/8789632
The Hobbit (Eclipse Comics, 1989)
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/24337445
The Ring of The Nibelung (DC Comics, 1989)
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/24348217
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/24348499
Nero Wolfe: The Red Box (Claude Lefrancq Editeur, 1992)
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/24352799
Logicomix (Bloomsbury, 2009)
>>24365021
>>24365399
>>24365773
Masterpiece Comics (Drawn & Quarterly, 2009)
>>24370733
Heart of Darkness (SelfMadeHero, 2010)
>>24377716
The Kite Runner (Riverhead Books, 2011)
>>24382641
The Complete Don Quixote (SelfMadeHero, 2013)
>>24387934 I'm considering naming my daughter "Lesbia", convince me out of it. 
Figured I would start an e-reader thread because I needed some help with one I just bought as a gift for mother's day.
I bought a Kobo Clara Colour because it was cheaper than the Pocketbook Era I have and I'm in the middle of setting it up, throwing a bunch of book series on it she likes or might be interested in. I'm sideloading so I didn't bother making a Kobo account after updating the software, I added a line to a config file so I could bypass it. I'm adding books just fine, but there are a bunch of empty authors/series catagories in the library. JK Rowling, One Piece, Spiderman, a ton of Chinese and Eastern European authors etc that I assume are some kind of promotional books that would have downloaded had I made an account but there are no actual books I can access for any of them, and there's no way I can find to delete the artists/series. Anybody else have this issue? I figure I could sideload Koreader like I have on my Era but I don't want to make it too complicated for an old Gen Xer to figure out. 
>In the treatise, Martin Luther describes Jews as a "base, whoring people, that is, no people of God, and their boast of lineage, circumcision, and law must be accounted as filth".[10] Furthermore, Luther writes that the synagogue has been an "incorrigible whore and an evil slut".[11]
>In the first ten sections of the treatise, Luther expounds, at considerable length, upon his views concerning Jews and Judaism and how these compare to Protestants and Protestant Christianity. Following the exposition, Section XI of the treatise advises Protestants to carry out seven remedial actions, namely:[12]
>to burn down Jewish synagogues and schools and warn people against them
>to refuse to let Jews own houses among Christians
>to take away Jewish religious writings
>to forbid rabbis from preaching
>to offer no protection to Jews on highways
>for usury to be prohibited and for all Jews' silver and gold to be removed, put aside for safekeeping, and given back to Jews who truly convert
>to give young, strong Jews flail, axe, spade, and spindle, and let them earn their bread in the sweat of their brow
>Luther's essay consistently distinguishes between Jews who accept Christianity (with whom he has no issues) and Jews who practice Judaism (whom he excoriates viciously).[13][14][15]
>The tract specifically acknowledges that many early Christians, including prominent ones, had a Judaic background.
Holy fucking based. Now that's what I'm talking about. What is some essential protestant-core lit? Just finished this. Enjoyed the low key tone and the gentle haze of depression hanging over everything. “Nowhere Man” Watanabe is literally me. Also, Could they get away with the piano teacher stuff now? Othello (Oval Projects Ltd, 1983)
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/24326372
Lady Chatterley's Lover (Knockabout Publications, 1986)
https://desuarchive.org/aco/thread/8789632
The Hobbit (Eclipse Comics, 1989)
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/24337445
The Ring of The Nibelung (DC Comics, 1989)
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/24348217
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/24348499
Nero Wolfe: The Red Box (Claude Lefrancq Editeur, 1992)
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/24352799
Logicomix (Bloomsbury, 2009)
>>24365021
>>24365399
>>24365773
Masterpiece Comics (Drawn & Quarterly, 2009)
>>24370733
Heart of Darkness (SelfMadeHero, 2010)
>>24377716
The Kite Runner (Riverhead Books, 2011)
>>24382641 
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