Board: /lit/
"/lit/ - Literature" is 4chan's board for the discussion of books, authors, and literature.
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Recommended Literature
https://lit.trainroll.xyz/wiki/Recommended_Reading riverrun edition
https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_Page
Blog: https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/
Old blog: https://grrm.livejournal.com/
So Spake Martin (interviews): https://westeros.org/citadel/ssm/
Book search: https://asearchoficeandfire.com/
SSM search: https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=006888510641072775866:vm4n1jrzsdy
General search: http://searcherr.work/
TWOW samples: https://archive.org/details/411440566-the-winds-of-winter-released-chapters
old: >>24325339 >4chan offline
>Realizes there's 0 alternatives to have good and in-depth discussions about books.
Glad to see you all again but this is honestly a little concerning. What if the site was gone for good and what does that say about society in general? >consciousness is just an illusion
This means literally nothing. If I'm wrong then explain. You can't. I'm convinced that the people who say this don't know what the fuck they're talking about and are just saying shit. You guys ever actually read this? It's fucking garbage
95% of it describes shitting, eating shit, fucking shit and pissing and farting
Then there's just a list of passions, ranging from boring, to cruel, to hilarious, like the one where they tie a woman to a rocket and launch it, or attaching two pregnant women to poles and have them slam into each other I will NEVER take this board for granted ever again.
I will try my hardest to make it high quality from now on like the good old days.
There really is just no replacement 
He's my only favorite philosopher and I think he's the only one that has any fucking meaning. I have written a dozen rants about here and I will show a few.
His books are annoying though but I don't care. Redditors like him, which is a little ironic because what he wanted was no morality, not Redditors aiding it. What had they done to help?
Was Sigmund Freud misinterperted like Nietzsche with his message about morality being le bad?
Was he actually not stupid somehow and we all misunderstood what he meant? How? I mean sex being physiological does make sense but not the rest of it.
He liked Nietzsche for "degree of introspection" never achieved before or again, but I think Nietzsche would dislike him. Unless he likes irrationality, which he probably does, with
his whole truth thing, but that's probably from being called stupid or something about morality relying on it. Everything Nietzsche wrote is probably about morality.
Almost No-One Understands Nietzsche - /Nietzsche Discussion Thread/
Nietzsche's whole works are really about one thing and that's how he believes morality is evil. What they're doing against him is "truth".
Only immoral people actually follows what he says. I didn't realize how much I missed you /lit/bros audiobook general
what you listening to? First Thread for Heidegger post basedcuckvasion 
Inspired by discussions in another thread, I want to try and have a thread about Modernism as a literary movement. Modernist novels, Modernist short stories, Modernist poetry, Modernist plays, we could even talk about Modernist visual art and Modernist music if we'll be allowed. This board loves Joyce and Pound, and to a lesser extent loves Hemingway and Faulkner, so we might as well try to talk about the movement they were all a part of.
It's funny. I consider myself something of a right-winger. A lover of Tradition, and connections to the past. But lately, for a while now, I've felt a really strong draw to Modernism and the Modernists, despite their conscious rejection of all the things I just mentioned. Maybe it's because it feels like they had a vision. They feel like the last real artistic movement that had a vision, that had a conception of what they wanted the world to be like and what they saw as literature's place in that world. They had an ambition for what they wanted the world, and their art, to be. I find that really attractive. Postmodernism is basically characterized by a deliberate refusal to have that sort of vision, and we've had no real movements SINCE Postmodernism. I find myself drawn to the Modernists and their vision, their ambition, their confident sense that their art could Do Something in the world. That literature had a purpose they could help fulfill in the world.
So let's discuss. What books did you read while 4chan was down? Recommended reading charts. (Look here before asking for vague recs)
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Previous Thread: >>24328569 In 2021 we were promised a Medieval /lit/ chart. We never got anything more than a very early draft. I'll take it up. To this end, I humbly request your assistance editing the book-list before I work the graphic design.
The list in the replies is a revised version of the original anon's list (including the "contemporary works on medieval philosophy", original anon's pet project which I'm keeping out of respect). Original OP had grand ambitions; I do not. This is a chart about Western European philosophy, literature, and primary-source history from 600-1400.
Previous thread: https://warosu.org/lit/thread/18506780
>Western European: Not Byzantine or Islamic. Germanic, Latinate, French, English, Italian, Spanish. Norse and Slavic OK, but not the focus.
>600-1400: loosely. The point is that we want good representatives of the (Western) medieval intellectual tradition, so I'm keeping Boethius but excluding Pseudo-Dionysius.
--- >This still makes people seethe 70 years later
What's the fuss all about? Question about English prosody: Are stresses determined more by their immediately syllabic context, or an objective degree of stress?
In other words, if a line has a syllable of rather weak stress surrounded by unstressed syllables, but in another part of the same line also a stress, stronger than this weak stress, but nonetheless surrounded by two syllables of stronger stress, such that it is seen as an unstressed syllable, is it still correct to regard that weaker stress as a stress? This may seem like a ridiculous question, but I've seen a lot of people defend both scansion methods, and it seems to me there is nothing consistent about people's own ideas about scansion. books men will never understand, I'll start How's the writing career coming, /lit/?
I missed you guys. What does /lit/ think of Asimov and his work? >Palm Sunday edition
Welcome to Traditional Catholic General. Post favourite Catholic works, thoughts on doctrine, or anything tied to the one true Church, her philosophy, or her history.
Favourite saint's biography or Catholic-themed work? Let’s hear it.
Struggling with a theological question? Share your thoughts, and maybe some high IQ anon can answer (or at least has a relevant papal encyclical to drop).
Latin Mass enthusiasm, pre-Vatican II liturgical gems, or reflections on the one true Church of Catholic spirituality? Bring it here.
Liturgical Resources
>https://extraordinaryform.org/
>"The Hours of the Divine Office in English and Latin" (a.k.a. the breviary) from 1961; this can be found on archive.org
Remember: this is not fedora bloodsports general. Nor is it the place for tired heresies like universalism.
previous >>24317602 Post an underrated philosophy book Im not a local english speaker and while i write in english i seem to make some grammar and writing mistakes so i write it in my language and translate it via chatgpt but since i make that when i send the text to the ai detectors it is obviously saying part of this was generated by ai. will that be a problem when i try to post it somewhere? Are there any at all? All the uplifting romantic literature I find is for women; men seem to write only about heartbreak, whores and mid-life crises.
I need a feel-good book after reading Madame Bovary. I need a feel-good book after reading Madame Bovary. A pure love story with a fair maiden, where both protagonists grow with each other's help. No love triangles or bullshit. I don't care if the point of view is male or female, but in an ideal world it would have both. I also don't mind if it mixes other genres like action or fantasy. This book finally made sense of the asian thinking process for me.
It should be mandatory reading for asian cultural studies and subjects. 
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I am not much of a reader and I think this would be a great reason of why I don't see myself as someone who speaks very clearly on many subjects. In positions of submission (class, work relations), most of my speech skills go to the drain.
What is the basic to master guide of oratory and rhetoric? Books and courses/seminaries only allowed. Which books should I read to become a well rounded citizen? Finished Night Lords Omnibus, what did I think of it? good books (not smut or written by women) for examining the male homosexual condition?
preferably ones that deal with the intrinsic desire to take the passive role
no allen ginsberg im not reading a pedophile jew Ok /lit/, now the dust has settled, I'm looking forward to hearing your final thoughts on Meditations.
What would you have done if you were Marcus Aurelius? just read volume one and it's honestly just very mid, like, there is this chosen guy, he saves the village, then gets into magic mumbo jumbo hogwarts where he fights with one guy who really doesn't like for some reason, the old fart dies, so he goes kill dragons and chase his shadow or whatever
Does it get better? Is it gay to read a Room of One's Own if you're a guy? >the ice represents heroin and the author's addiction
>the drug that the MC is constantly taking doesn't represent anything though I feel like I can’t be happy in life. I feel like every path I take is filled with so much struggle, so much opposition, that I can’t find happiness. Without completely fucking changing my career I don’t see how to be happy. I deal with suicidal ideation on a regular basis. I don’t know what to do. Is the premise of the play that women are unreliable narrators or that we should treat people with tender natures better? Stanley is obviously a raging alcoholic and potential psychopath or narcissist, but Blanche acts in a way that would irritate most men: lying, deceit, sexual predation, and chaotic disposition .
Did Blanche deserve to be punished by Stanley? Anyone else love reading but it genuinely takes up too much energy so you rarely do it? Share + Critique + Suffer
Image courtesy of the surreal fake-tabletop game VERMIS. Similarly to how /vr/ or /vrpg/ are separated from the main /v/ channel, /sffg/ and /wbg/ should be made into new boards of their own. It's difficult to follow or create new discussions on the general when its just a long scroll of pre-existing conversations and unrelated posts, and it would be nice to see some variety without needing to read the entire thread in order to find something relevant.
Lets be honest here, the anons who browse /lit/ for classics, philosophy, and niche literary fiction or non-fiction have the run of this board. They don't want to see content from /sffg/, hence why they give it the moniker of a 'containment thread'. Likewise, those of us who read and write lit for entertainment would prefer to do without a dozen threads on authors and books we've never heard of and won't ever read. People consume literature for different reasons, and so I think those separate goals warrant a separate board.
This probably won't change anything. Just some thoughts I had. Thx. I need lurid filth. The most sleazy trashy violent hateful crime thrillers you've got. What happened to Intellectual Conservatism? What books have you DNF'd and why? >jUsT As tHe fIsH SwImS, tHe dOg wOuLd fLy iF He wErE A BiRd
>Eating potatoes makes you stupid
>Filling cow horns with manure, burying them, then digging them up again, diluting the result to the point of undetectableness and spraying it over the fields is totally legitimate agriculture
>Listening to recorded music attracts evil demons
>Invisible gnomes, kobolds, and fairies are all around you
>Every room has its own entity, too, its called the, umm ... room being
>Atlantis was real btw
I could go on. That's just the tip of the iceberg..
Why do people take this guys work serious again?
His "educational institutions" even get funded by the german state for fucks sake. Am I a pleb for enjoying this pulpy genre fiction? Am I missing something by only reading "le good literature"?
This Zorro novel actually captivated me in away that most of the well acclaimed fiction I've read hasn't. Sure the writing is a little formulaic, and the plot is a bit campy but isn't there value, literary or otherwise, in some pulp fiction? Is there any value in escapism? What was his problem? Was he retarded?
>Now that they know I exist, I must kill people and establish a reign of terror because… well because I just must, ok?
I understand he’s the villain of the book but what was his end goal with that? I don’t care if the drugs made him irritable, it was still too dumb for a supposed genius scientist. 
The break allowed me to finish the Book of the New Sun. I liked it. I thought it was good. However, I thought it was quite uneven overall. People talk about Urth in a way that emulates how I feel about BOTNS (half really good half meh). There are parts I loved, and parts I was disinterested in.
I loved Severian's relationship with Jonas in Claw. Everything in the Antechamber was a particular standout, and the play was really cool. I liked the image the book ended on as well. Everything else was merely OK.
In Sword, everything from the Severian arriving at the house, confronting the Alzabo, adventuring with Little Severian, to the fever dream climax of Typhon was masterpiece level. The Baldanders fight at the end felt like a complete let down compared to what came before. I liked Cyriaca's story about the robots in Thrax and Severian healing people in the shack, but the rest of Thrax was merely alright.
For Citadel, Severian befriending Miles and the hospital people was really fun. The storytelling competition was downright amazing. Master Ash's house was intriguing. The war section was alright. I thought it was cool that the Autarch was a nice dude, and it was great seeing Severian coming into his own as Autarch. The discussion with Palaemon was also a satisfying payoff.
All I can say about Shadow is that every time they started doing something interesting, it just felt like they moved on to something else. Severian's relationship with women is uninteresting in every way.
Anyhow, the pic is my enjoyment level going through the four books. Fifth Head of Cerberus is still Wolfe's masterpiece to me. Next? I plan to plow through Urth so I can get to the Long Sun. I listened to the first chapter of LS, and it seems really up my alley. if you're thinking about picking up this book, just read genesis instead 
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>What is worldbuilding?
Worldbuilding is the process of creating entire fictional worlds from scratch, all while considering the logistics of these worlds to make them as believable as possible. Worldbuilding asks questions about the setting of a world, and then answers them, often in great detail. Most people use it as a means of creating a setting or the scenery for a story.
>"Isn't there a Worldbuilding general in >>>/tg/ already?"
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>"Can I discuss the setting of my campaign here, though?"
If you want to, but it would probably be better to discuss it on >>>/tg/ . We don't allow the discussion of TTRPG mechanics, however. If you want to discuss stats or which D&D edition is best, this is not the place.
>"Can I talk about an existing fictional setting that is not mine?"
Yes, of course you can!
>"Does worldbuilding need to be about fantasy and elves?"
Worldbuilding, as already stated above, and contrary to what many believe, does not inherently imply blatantly copying Tolkien. In fact, there are many science-fiction setting out there, and even entire alternative history settings which do not possess supernatural elements at all. Any kind of science fiction book has an implied setting at least, which involves a certain degree of worldbuilding put into it.
Last Thread: >>24243497 Has anyone noticed that the terms under the quantity heading of Kant's table of judgments are called:
>universal
>particular
>singular
Yes, they share names with the categories of metaphysical objects, but apparently they have nothing to do with each other. It's even the case that particulars and singulars are the same thing in ontology. However, both sets of terminology originate from Scholastics (I don't know how), who were originally commenting on... Aristotle's Organon (albeit these are Scholastic distinctions, not necessarily Aristotle's framing).
I don't know what to do with this information or how to make sense of a connection which, on the surface, is entirely superficial. But is it really a mere coincidence? Do propositions and the metaphysical objects they purport to describe not have any connection to each other? Was there no intent to link the two? bookshelf and book stack thread What does /lit/ thinks of Asimov and his work? It's finally happening /lit/. What are the best books to read about life and slavery in the antebellum South? Books on how to experience religious ecstasy without drugs? Who comes out on top in this dispute for the ages? Keep in mind, your answer will determine the superiority of Modernism over the centuries long poetic tradition from roughly 1630 to 1900 or vice versa. I recently re-read Gatsby for the first time since high school, it's pretty decent. Why do boomers on twitter have a collective meltdown over it every six months? How does such a short, simple book filter so many people? Any good literary fiction about conspiracies, cults, secretive governmental researches (maybe Half-Life/SCP-like), weird stuff? What I know about:
Pynchon, DeLillo, Infinite Jest, Traumnovelle (I'm OK with untranslated German books), The plot against America (??? not sure if it is conspiratorial), Foucault's pendelum, Secret history (??? some students). What else? Final Rankings of GOAT Writers (after subtracting all bias of genre, time, place, etc):
1. James Joyce
2. William Shakespare
3. Thomas Pynchon
4. Jack Vance
5. Homer
6. Cao Xueqin
7. John Tolkien
8. The Court of King David
9. Dante
10. Gene Wolfe
11. Terence
12. Moliere
13. Alan Moore
14. Aesop
15. Clark Ashton Smith
16. George Eliot
17. Cormac McCarthy
18. Honore de Balzac
19. Rumi
20. Antoine Galland Post and discuss about any history book.
>The Arms of Krupp: The Rise and Fall of the Industrial Dynasty That Armed Germany at War by William Manchester
>The Krupp family were the premier German arms manufacturers from the middle of the 19th century until the end of World War II, producing artillery pieces and submarines that set the standard for effectiveness. This book relates the history of this influential company.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/36405295-the-arms-of-krupp
Previous Thread:>>24299996 >The gentleman's name that met him was Mr. Worldly Wiseman, he dwelt in the town of Carnal Policy
bravo Bunyan Why even study grammar and practice your writing skills when you can just write like this and get applauded Is this really the best childhood friends to lovers book? The ending felt bland to me. Do you have any other ones I should read? >Orwell used the homophobic epithets "nancy" and "pansy", for example, in expressions of contempt for what he called the "pansy Left". The protagonist of Keep the Aspidistra Flying, Gordon Comstock, conducts an internal critique of his customers when working in a bookshop, and there is an extended passage of several pages in which he concentrates on a homosexual male customer, and sneers at him for his "nancy" characteristics, including a lisp. Stephen Spender "thought Orwell's occasional homophobic outbursts were part of his rebellion against the public school". Books about being a 30 something years old NEET loser and actually accepting that and come to peace with the fact? >Oprah picks his book, he says “nah I don’t want your sticker on it”
>calls Twitter “the literature of narcissism,” never sells out to social media
>tells climate activists the ugly truth: we probably can’t fix it, just save what we can
>still writes serious, messy novels about broken families instead of chasing internet clout
>every critic seethes, but still reads everything he writes because he’s him Is King Lear inspired by Henry 8th? The Fool is Will Sommers, Goneril and Regan are Mary, Cordelia is Elizabeth. I'm thinking of what Carl Schmitt wrote about Queen Elizabeth and Hamlet. What the most galaxy brained right winger (alive) thinker right now? Honestly left wing thinker seems more smart and well read than rightoids one, but I'm curious to know if rightoid have a brillant mind on their side too.
>Mencious Moldbug
Cope, dude is not as well read or smart as people think. Reading Douglas Murray's "Why we need conservatism"
What am I in for? Is Kiyoaki retarded? If he loved Satoko from the start why the fuck did he let her get engaged to another man? Even his parents asked him if he was ok with that and the retard said 'yes'. One of the dumbest protagonists of all time. Am I the only one who doesn't get any strong emotions from reading? I see women on TikTok saying they cried while reading, but literature has never elicited such emotions from me. It's just words on a page after all 
>Your excellency, is there another country in the world where so many disorders and such violence may be seen? What manner of government is there here? The king does not rule, because they will not let him; the diets do not rule, because the members break them; there is no army, because the Poles will not pay taxes; there is no obedience, for obedience is opposed to freedom; there is no justice, for there is no one to execute decisions, and each strong man tramples on decisions; there is no loyalty in this people, for all have deserted their king; there is no love for the country, for they have given it to the Swede, for the promise that he will not prevent them from living in old fashion according to their ancient violence. Where could anything similar be found? What people in the world would aid an enemy in conquering their own country? Who would desert a king, not for his tyranny, not for his evil deeds, but because a stronger one came? Where is there a people who love private profits more, or trample more on public affairs? What have they, your excellency? Let any one mention to me even one virtue,—prudence, reason, cleverness, endurance, abstinence. What have they? Good cavalry? that and nothing more. But the Numidians were famous for cavalry, and the Gauls, as may be read in Roman history, had celebrated soldiers; but where are they? They have perished as they were bound to perish. Whoso wishes to save the Poles is merely losing time, for they will not save themselves. Only the mad, the violent, the malicious, and the venal inhabit this land. So there are many novels which capture the male loser experience, but which one capture the female one? How many books do you read in a year? My bokos got binted and I need books to fix it!!!
HEELP Which author imbued you with the most will to live? What are some redpilled books that are pro-patriarchy? Need to rid myself of the feminism that made me think something was wrong with me for the first 30 years of my life. I MISSED YOU NIGGERS
feels good to be back home
What did you guys read during this time? >most soulful and comforting children's book series ever created
>a literal homo made it
How do homophobes cope with this? What book did you finish while 4chan was down So, what did you fuckers read during all this time you didn't waste posting here?
Surely you didn't find new ways to procrastinate instead of finishing the book that has been sitting in your nightstand for 3 months, right? What's the true best translation of Faust? What do you think about this book? I recently finished it and it was much more engaging than I expected. It's great at keeping up this sense of tension that a rabbit in the wild would feel while staying lighthearted and charming. I knew that no major characters would die and that there would probably be a happy ending and all, but the author still managed to make me a bit worried.
The myth chapters were nice, it was cool to see what a fairytale made by a rabbit would look like. Actually, the whole rabbit culture thing was really well done. I imagine, that a worse author could make the whole thing come off quite lame.
My favorite part were the Efrafa chapters, they had this 1984-like sense of being constantly watched.
In general, this book has a really great balance of tension and realism, and joy and whimsy. A great bedtime read. 
About Untitled 6108
The new novel from Thomas Pynchon
Milwaukee 1932, the Great Depression going full blast, repeal of Prohibition just around the corner, Al Capone in the federal pen, the private investigation business shifting from labor-management relations to the more domestic kind. Hicks McTaggart, a one-time strikebreaker turned private eye, thinks he’s found job security until he gets sent out on what should be a routine case, locating and bringing back the heiress of a Wisconsin cheese fortune who’s taken a mind to go wandering. Before he knows it, he’s been shanghaied onto a transoceanic liner, ending up eventually in Hungary where there’s no shoreline, a language from some other planet, and enough pastry to see any cop well into retirement—and of course no sign of the runaway heiress he’s supposed to be chasing. By the time Hicks catches up with her he will find himself also entangled with Nazis, Soviet agents, British counterspies, swing musicians, practitioners of the paranormal, outlaw motorcyclists, and the troubles that come with each of them, none of which Hicks is qualified, forget about being paid, to deal with. Surrounded by history he has no grasp on and can’t see his way around in or out of, the only bright side for Hicks is it’s the dawn of the Big Band Era and as it happens he’s a pretty good dancer. Whether this will be enough to allow him somehow to lindy-hop his way back again to Milwaukee and the normal world, which may no longer exist, is another question.
Thoughts? RED ALERT
RED ALERT
THE ZOOMERS HAVE DISCOVERED THOMAS LIGOTTI
YOUTUBER WENDIGOON (WHO HAD ZOOMERS DISCOVER BLOOD MERIDIAN AFTER DOING A VIDEO ABOUT IT) HAS MADE A NEW EPISODE OF HIS PODCAST CREEPCAST WITH MEAT CANYON READING THE RED TOWER BY THOMAS LIGOTTI (They claim they got official approval to do so).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAbbDpZ27fI
THE ZOOMERS HAVE DISCOVERED LIGOTTI
THEY SAY IN THE BEGINNING THEY WILL EVENTUALLY READ MORE STORIES FROM SONGS OF A DEAD DREAMER AND GRIMSCRIBE!!!!!!!!!!!! >Shadow of the torturer
>Tales of a dying earth
>Confederacy of Dunces
>King, warrior, magician, lover.
>Blood Meridian 
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You do not have to give feedback to everyone, and you dont have to give feedback straight away - especially if you feel that might skew the results - but please do TRY to give meaningful feedback to TWO stories, so we put one story in and get two feedbacks out. You guys like Gabriel García Márquez? you guys iked the booK? What you guys think about the TV show? its on netflix btw, give it a watch. Read this the other day and... what? I enjoyed the overall vibe and writing but as for the actual content, it was like all of the plot points, themes, and metaphysical musings were drawn out of a hat. Any help understanding what I missed, what connections I failed to make?
I do plan on writing a short story or two in a similar vein, because again I really did enjoy the writing style, but I'm gonna do it with a bit more, y'know, direction. Reminded me of French New Wave films where the characters converse in philosophical non sequiturs.
>Hungry...?
>"All time ceases to move out here in the vast desert."
>"This is my daughter."
>Main character wants to fuck her
>"All consciousness seeks to return to material Being, like a stone." Stoic edition
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All Classical languages are welcome. Any fans of the poetry of Louise Glück? Saw some of her stuff at the library so checked it out. I bought this yesterday on Amazon and the picture in the listing was different. The one it showed wasn't good, but I don't really care about the cover art. The first thing I thought when I opened the package was "what the fuck?" This almost makes me wish I didn't buy it. I have some Hemmingway books from an Indian publisher and they all use vaguely related stock photos on the cover. I would greatly prefer that over this abomination. 
So let me get this straight. God picks Jacob, the guy who literally scams his brother out of his birthright for a bowl of soup and then lies to his dad to steal the blessing? Meanwhile, Esau’s out here hunting, providing, being the chill older brother, and he gets shafted?
Whenever I question my Christian friends about the morals behind the tale of Jacob and Esau 10 out of 10 times they come up with one of these scripted responses:
>uhh that just means God favors those who can use deceit for GOOD.
>Jacob was CHOSEN or something God knows things YOU DON'T"
Imagine being Esau, working hard, and then God’s says "Nope, I vibe with the guy who scams his brother and goes full sociopath mode dressing up in his clothes to fool their blind dad out of his blessing, shalom!"
This tale would easily fit popular talmudic tropes with favoritism for jewish archetypes at its finest. One guy scams his way to the top, while the other guy gets dunked on for being too trustworthy. Truly, what's the moral of this story? Subvert your close relatives in times of need for their inheritances? Is philosophy for everyone or just an elite few? I got a lot of reading done during the hack and its aftermath... can 4chan go back down? I will miss the discussion a lot, but perhaps it is better this way. Now that we're back, it's time for you to kneel before the King of /lit/. >Listen, my children, and you shall hear
>Of the midnight ride of Paul Revere,
>On the eighteenth of April, in Seventy-Five:
>Hardly a man is now alive
>Who remembers that famous day and year. I finished Steppenwolf while 4chan was down and now I want to talk about it. Missed you fags. Othello (Oval Projects Ltd, 1983)
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/24326372
Lady Chatterley's Lover (Knockabout Publications, 1986)
>>>/aco/8789632 What is the currency/unit of account in your novel? Is it a fiat currency or is it backed by a commodity of some sort? Have you not bothered giving it any thought because it's completely irrelevant to the story?
And on the subject, I'm trying to come up with an interesting commodity (or something) to base the value of a hypothetical near-future currency off. Don't just say fiat, gold/silver, or bitcoin because that's fucking boring and likely what's going to happen IRL.
I was thinking the unit of account could be based on the cost of supplying a fixed amount of power or data or internet connectivity, but with persistent and exponential technological advances (see also: Moore's Law) that could devalue the currency very quickly. Maybe backing it off something more tangible and stable and in demand like the price of uranium or hydrogen. (Oil could work too, but I was going on the assumption this would be in a post peak oil world.) What do you think? African-American Classics
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/24269300
H.G. Wells
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/24271508
Oscar Wilde
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/24274166
Jack London
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/24286444
Robert Louis Stevenson
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/24289109
Rafael Sabatini
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/24301495
O. Henry
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/24304090
Fantasy Classics
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/24307085
Native American Classics
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/24317146
Arthur Conan Doyle
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/24322795
Ambrose Pierce
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/24325889
Science Fiction Classics
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/24334819 this by far the best war novel of the xx century What does /lit/ think about Read Paul Revere's Ride by David Hackett Fischer (1963) it lays out how Paul Revere and the patriots were right wing conservatives and Gage was a left wing progressive 
i told it I wanted a short story. asked what about? "pretty girl ties her boyfriend up for sex". asked to control it, I just said "describe what happens". This, is what it produced.
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In a quiet apartment filled with soft lighting and a hint of jasmine fragrance, Isabella had an adventurous idea brewing in her mind. Her boyfriend, Mark, always teased her about their bedroom dynamics, so she thought it was time to turn the tables.
She could hear the sound of Mark laughing in the other room, oblivious to her plans. With a playful smirk, Isabella gathered a few items: a set of silk ties and a feathered blindfold, carefully selecting the perfect tools for a night of exploration. She wanted this to be a memorable experience for both of them.
As she set the scene, the air became charged with anticipation. The candles flickered gently, casting dancing shadows on the walls. Feeling a rush of excitement, Isabella tucked away her nerves. When everything was ready, she called Mark into the room, his curiosity piqued by the inviting glow.
"What’s all this?" he asked, his eyes widening as he took in the soft ambiance and the unexpected setup.
Isabella stepped closer, a teasing smile on her lips. "I thought we could try something a little different tonight." She held up the silk ties, her confidence growing as Mark’s expression shifted from surprise to intrigue.
With a gentle but firm touch, Isabella guided him to the edge of the bed. She could feel her heart race as she secured his wrists with the silky ties, ensuring that they were snug yet comfortable. Mark’s eyes sparkled with excitement and a hint of challenge, clearly ready to surrender himself to the experience.
As she placed the blindfold over his eyes, Isabella leaned in, her breath warm against his ear. "Just relax and trust me," she whispered, sending shivers down his spine. The world around him faded away, heightening his senses.
She started with soft kisses trailing from his neck down his chest, exploring him with her lips and teasingly pulled back just before he could fully anticipate her next move. The combination of vulnerability and trust created an intoxicating atmosphere. Mark was completely at her mercy, and Isabella reveled in the power of the moment.
Her movements were both playful and seductive, as she introduced new sensations—the gentle brush of feathers against his skin, the warmth of her body close to his, the thrill of the unknown. Their laughter filled the room, intertwined with whispers and gasps, creating an intimate rhythm that connected them deeper than ever before.
As the night unfolded, Isabella and Mark explored boundaries >Only Pynchon is left
And you're laughing. In five years all good novelists will be dead and you're laughing. Ladies, is it up to us to usher in the new literary renaissance? All the boys nowadays write about is existentialist sci fi and le incel hero redemption slop over and over again. recs for the summer? im looking for something submerged in the heat, no air conditioning, sweaty and sleazy and alcoholic. maybe something southern 
>In his first interview since 2020, reclusive novelist Don DeLillo has given a rare interview to Laura Marsh of The New York Review of Books, ostensibly to discuss his collected essays and the drone of modern life.
>When Marsh asked about the alarming new study revealing adult literacy rates in the U.S. have plummeted to an all-time low, Delillo paused, studied the table between them, and then simply pointed at the Marsh’s iPhone with a withering expression of pre-apocalyptic clairvoyance.
>“That right there,” DeLillo said, according to the piece. “That rectangle is the book now. It glows. It pings. The adult baby rattler.”
>When pressed further on the publishing industry’s role in this decline, DeLillo responded: “Publishing still believes it’s in the enlightenment business. It’s not. It’s packaging paper for people who want their shelves to look smart on Zoom.”
>In the full interview, the legendary author also laments the current state of the novel, saying most books now are “just long-form apologies disguised as self-help manuals with an MFA.” When asked if he still believes fiction can change the world, DeLillo clarified: “Fiction did change the world. This is the result.” Is it too reddit? I kinda want to read it 
Yo.
So, some of you may have been wondering where I'd gone... why I haven't... you know... been educating people on esoteric metaphysics for the past... year? Especially that dude I left hangin, sorry about that military bro. To be honest, I wasn't confident in my mathematical abilities at the time. Now?
Well,..
The Holographic Object Theory (HOT) is a metaphysical model of physical reality in which what we call objects are not pre-existing entities, but emergent patterns of resolved interpretive tension—what HOT calls subject-dyads—within a semiotic manifold known as the holographic field. Instead of assuming that particles or events exist independently, HOT treats actuality as the result of recursive closure: interactions that stabilize potential contrasts into definitive, relational configurations. In short, it proposes that everything becomes what it is through being interpreted, and that physical phenomena—from wavefunction collapse to gravity—are emergent consequences of this recursive interpretive architecture.
https://signsandsignification.substack.com/p/the-subject-object-dichotomy-demystified
In multiple benchmark tests, the Holographic Object Theory (HOT) has demonstrated predictive performance comparable to or exceeding leading physical models in key areas such as wavefunction collapse, gravitational modeling, and particle behavior. Notably, HOT closely matched Lambda-CDM predictions in dark matter distributions and approximated CERN collision outputs with high accuracy (as close as within 5%)—despite relying on an entirely different ontological foundation. Rather than treating collapse or object formation as probabilistic or observer-dependent, HOT reframes these as emergent effects of recursive interpretive closure, where interactions stabilize unresolved tensions into actuality. This offers a coherent alternative to wave-particle duality, reinterpreting measurement as the local achievement of meaning through semiotic saturation, and gravity as a gradient of subject-dyad tension collapse density rather than a curvature of spacetime. What even is a "muse" anyway? Is it just a fancy name for a writer's GF who likes his stuff, or is it more than that? Recommend the greatest autobiographies of politicians. Books to read when you're a 27 year old truecel who's failed in everything in life and there's no hope left?
It never even began for me, since I was born into a dysfunctional and very poor "family" (I didn't even grew up with a father). I purchased picrel from a thrift store because of the legs What is the literary/novel equivalent of 1960s art house samurai films? Why are they so awful in grasping the subtleties of femininity and writing every female the same way as if all women want the same thing, the same man? Is it some incel energy rooted deep in their genetic code? No one else can truly experience what's in our minds, what we feel, or what it's like to face our own death. In those moments, we're utterly alone.
Books for this feel? >first medieval Castilian thinker and writer using his own language instead of Latin
>born a member of the Castilian royal family, got involved in many wars and conflicts of the time
>still had time to write, he did love to write as an scape of reality (as he indirectly says in his works)
>among the first at using vernacular language for an ambit monopolized by Latin
>his works are predominantly sapiential stories
>his ideas and style are a melting pot of Llullian and Thomist thinking and oriental literature (Arabian nights, etc.) from Al-Andalus
>often offers his opinion as a noble, hunter, war veteran and member of the court at his works of politics and war
>his works: Count Lucanor, the book of the knight and the shield bearer, book of the three reasons, book of the states, short chronicle, book of the hunt, book of the infinite So why *was* God silent and why did he let Tom suck dicks in hell forever?
What was that end bit about Mamom? Did he overthrown/kill Satan or did Satan die in the war or harrowing 2 or what? 
you really can't count how many people were entertained by green text back i its heyday. I fondly remember the "tard wrangler" series. An old laptop (stolen in burglary, may they rot in hell) had a lot of them.
for humor, most people would fall off their computer chairs, when presented with their first good tard wrangler story. Its so crude and stupid, you know it shouldn;t be funny. Yet somehow it is.
I suppose its like toilet humor that way.
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I went highbrow with y green text appreciation level.
My favorite might well have been "pigeon man".
I mean if its going to be like this (indicating al around me, can't get a conversation on writing techniques anyways)
fuck it, might as well talk about green text.
I mean, this place is going to be \pol\ 2.0?
fine.
bonus points, for locating original green text, particularly the legit tard wrangler series.
1,488 bonus points for... "pigeon man", who is the terror that flaps in the night.
an exception autist who comes up with a treasure trove of these, and starts posting and discussing this highly ebtertaining humor fiction style? Could, potentially earn my treasured, *signed* mint copy, of...
D.Carnegie,WFAIP. Just saying. On all the videos and discussion forums about the book there is always a disproportionate amount of women commenting. Anecdotally among people who read classic literature it seems more favored by women in my experience.
But why? 
Was going through an old box of books my grandparents had from an estate sale years ago, and found this odd anthology from the 1930s. Didn't think much of it until I read this story and realized it sounds exactly like that short one from Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark - The Curse. But way longer and way creepier. Posting it here because I figured someone might appreciate it. Full transcription below.
Title: The Sealed Window of Calder Hall
First published: Tales of Campus Terror and Mystery (1933)
University Press: Calder & Whitmore Publishing
In the autumn of 1929, when the leaves fell from the elms like scattered ash and a chill seeped into the bones of old Calder Hall, a fraternity of the university, Alpha Lambda, initiated three of its boldest pledges into a rite seldom spoken of outside darkened rooms.
The tale of the Sealed Window was old by then, as old as the cracked sandstone that framed the dormitory's ancient stairwell. Years prior, it was said, a jealous lover had slain his rival in that very room, then leapt from the high window to his doom. The university, unwilling to let rumor stir unrest, had sealed the window shut with brick and mortar.
But the wind, they whispered, still passed through. And on certain nights, when the moon struck the sill just right, a draft colder than winter itself crept through the chamber.
It was on such a night the initiation began.
Candle in hand, Harold Vance went first. A well-liked boy with clever jokes and a fearless grin, he ascended the hollow stair as the rest of the pledges and brothers watched from below. They could see the flickering halo of his candlelight as he entered the room, felt the tension thicken as the flame danced against unseen drafts.
A moment passed. Then two. Then the candlelight vanished, as though snuffed by unseen breath.
"Harold?" they called, but no answer came.
Thomas Granger, ever the bravest among them, snatched another candle and followed. His footsteps echoed against the stone, fading as he climbed toward that ominous room. Again, they watched the flicker of flame ascend the stair and hover at the doorway.
A gust rose, sudden and hollow.
The flame shuddered, twisted - and vanished.
No scream. No sound of retreat. Only silence.
[Continued] >The reality is that men are hurting and that the whole culture responds to them by saying, 'Please do not tell us what you feel.' ... If we cannot heal what we cannot feel, by supporting patriarchal culture that socializes men to deny feelings, we doom them to live in states of emotional numbness. We construct a culture where male pain can have no voice, where male hurt cannot be named or healed.
Thoughts? >never went to a secluded New England or Pacific Northwest liberal arts college
>never had a close knit group of friends
>never had intense mentorship from professors
>never talked about the great books
>never dressed well for lectures in an environment of thin young people
>never woke up to find out about a mysterious murder on a freezing snowy day in December that shocks everyone
>never stayed at an unexpectedly rich friend's Italian villa during summer
>never joined a classics discussion group as an extracurricular unaffiliated with the university that blew up due to obscure disagreements on philosophical interpretation resulting in murderous threats
>never hooked up with a qt art hoe after an autumn party in a freezing cold evening
>never went to a school with zero grades and professors that played favourites
>never graduated with zero consideration of what job I wanted and then getting an underemployed Brooklyn based publishing job >THE COMPLETE WORKS OF
>look inside
>the selected works of
>doesn't include the one thing you bought it for in the first place How much of so-called misanthropic literature is purely a reflection of the author's mental state? The world that Houellebecq paints in his books is exceedingly bleak and unfeeling, but how much of his point of view is actually true? I'm an aspiring writer and I've written some of my own plot ideas onto paper, although usually its not more than 10 pages before I stop (sometimes i can go as far as 50 though). I think I'm good at creating interesting characters and making good plotlines, but I'm bad at actually getting the scenes and ideas on the paper. I feel like I always fall short when I'm writing a scene, that I'm not describing something well. Sometimes I just don't know how to finish the scene.
So I thought, hey, why not turn to trying to write fanfiction since all the worldbuilding and characters are established, surely it'll be easier, right?
No.
When I try to write it, I cringe slightly at myself. I don't know why. The difficulty also hasn't really changed. Anyone having similar experiences or advice? I'm trying to write Steins;Gate Can I write a good book with regular words? I hate show-off writing. I always think people who write like that are fags who drink wine, shove the empty bottle up their ass, look up a retarded word in the Oxford dictionary, think they’re God’s gift on earth, and suck their own dick while they type it. But I don’t want people dissing me for using plain words. Finished God Emperor a few days ago. I really enjoyed it and I think its my favorite out of the four, but doesn't the golden path ultimately succeeding kind of undermine the whole "dont trust charismatic rulers" thing? Be honest bros, is it worth reading? boomers really lived like this and still critique young people Books marketed to women and girls, especially ones written by women and girls
I'm bored of all that pretentious macho political philosophical fighting allegories
I want more aesthetics with flowers, pretty dresses, romance, etc. Love this insufferable prick
>conversant in all schools of western and eastern philosophy
>PhD thesis is hailed as a work of genius
>write acclaimed book on the existence of God and popular book against "New Atheism"
>hailed by trads and conservatives as top tier theologian who will finally save muh western civilisation from muh relativism
>proceed to call them retarded and evil as well
>affirm universal salvation and call anyone who disagrees a dualist and a modern
>completely tear apart all negative reviews and obliterate centuries year old strands of theology as well as their representatives in the process
>restore classical theism and hellenistic/patristic thinking once and for all
>refuse to elaborate
>go back to writing fantasy and children's novels 
The reason that /wg/ is so shit is because the mode of criticism available is pointless. You can’t get meaningful critiques out of your work by just posting excerpts, particularly ones out of context of your work, meaning the only potentially valuable feedback you ever could get is just your opening scene.
It’s the same thing with people complaining about feedback consisting of line nit-picking. What else do you expect when you can’t observe the overall form of the piece?
Anyway as an antidote to this I want to set up a small group of writers, preferably with finished works ready to go, ready to exchange whole-text reads with each other. Individuals exchanging novels should do so piecemeal, say 5,000 words each and then feedback, which is then sent – if you don’t receive feedback on your 5000 words then read no further. Readers here should remember the status as READERS – did you enjoy it, basically? Avoid thinking about it as a writer.
Anyway that’s my pitch so do any /lit/izens want to participate? 
Hello! I am a young man from Germany and today my father told me about a book that he read when he was younger. He is about 50 years old now and couldn't remember much of it, not even the title but i would really like to read it.Now, while the book is in German, i am sure there is an English original or an English version. The book must have been published in the 90s or 80s - my father read it back then - and it was a Science Fiction Book about Humans finding a"Warehouse" with an Unknown Material (my father thinks it was metal but he wasn't sure). The Material which was made by an alien species was used / could be used to build "Warp Drives" and was incredibly hard but when under a certain radiation from a certain angle it could be shaped like "Plasticine rubber". Anyways, my dad said that the people in a spaceship with such a warp drive had an accident and randomly found a 2nd warehouse with even more - which saved them because of more material. Humanity / Humans also contacted the aliens and found out that they could not survive without that material and that they were going extinct. They also mentioned that they created the human race in an experiment to help them to survive without the material.
That's about all my dad told me and if you have any questions or details i will go and ask him if he is available. It would be nice to read this favorite book of his.
(Also, i am very sorry if my English is bad) 
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