>>2047022
>you load your bike up just lightly they will fail to hold it up anyways
Bad kickstand or bad installation. More likely, though, is that you never even tried one.
>For a kickstand to work you need:
Solid ground, correct angle, unloaded bike, no wind.
Only no. 2. And, again, if you think wind is enough to kick over a loaded bike, you obviously never used one.
>Fucking motorist faggot.
Ad hominems are an obvious sign of a person in the wrong. I accept your concession. I have never operated a motorised vehicle, btw.

>>2047023
>and arent most kickstands not suitable for touring cus they cant hold the weight?
Typical kickstand can carry 25 kg. A good one like Pletscher makes will get you 50 kg.

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They will literally put 15+ bottle bosses on a frameset, but refuse drilling 2 for a kickstand