>>94421412
>that the supernatural *isn’t* an oxymoron based around relative unfamiliarity
The supernatural isnt unfamiliarity, its something above or outside the universe. 1: of or relating to an order of existence beyond the visible observable universe
For example, in Pathfinder the material plane is literally the universe we live in. Outside it is the various elemental planes, the various heavens and hells, and then outside of all of this is the unending chaos of unreality. Magic and the various supernatural effects that can happen and exist because of this order of existence outside the Universe.

You keep trying to argue this as though the games dont assume the writing is based on the viewpoint of creatures which inhabit the Universe, and trying to categorize these things which are outside of it.

>you don’t know what magic even is
Do you?
1a: the use of means (such as charms or spells) believed to have supernatural power over natural forces
b: magic rites or incantations
Because you dont seem to understand that the anthropological, psychological, and other scientific definitions don't apply outside those specific disciplines to explaining a world that doesnt have actual magical effects but which various societies act like they do. When trying to talk about settings which do have these effects and realms you cannot use these definitions, and you keep doing it because you think youre smart for having read up on the psychology of magical thinking.

>>94421431
>but they don’t refer to it as magic
And the games which we are playing in are set in times when science hasn't monopolized the language of explaining reality. To the people of the world it is still magic, even if many parts of it have been studied or turned into a "science". It's a foreign metaphysics studied and categorized by people who do not have our modern language of science.

Both arguments are semantic bullshit that forgets the games are set in premodern times lacking modern scientific language.

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