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I miss the experimental nature of early 3D fighters. After playng SF2 and MK games some years, I was in awe with 3D fighters when they appeared. For the first time you could see the characters actually interacting like when one character grabbed another character you could see where they limbs went and what body part they did grab. Or when you kicked someone from the side, they would fly to the side relative to the applied force. Motion capturing actual mma moves became a thing. Fireballs were no longer needed.
VF started with using realistic moves first. Tekken had "a button per limb" control scheme which would be impossible with mirrored 2D sprites and with Tekken 3's side steps, more cool 3D moves were added, like side throws or side submission holds. DoA pioneered a counter system, making matches flow like kung fu films. Tobal games went further with their grapple system: you cold grab an opponent and move him around on the ring or kick him whole holding his arms with yours.
Next big thing was more realistic arenas: walls, steps, uneven surfaces, different stage hazards.
VF, Tekken, DoA - all of them went for those when new hardware allowed them to. But even on old PS1 you had games which did experiment with bigger arenas like Ehrgeiz and Destrega. But soon after, everyone just stopped. VF4 went for simple square arenas with walls and VF5 was basically the same. Tekken 5 used the same VF4 arenas too. Muh competitive scene, online and outfits customization became the focus. Major 3D fighters stopped experimenting altogether. DoA is stale and basically dead. Tekken is forever a Tekken 5 rehash. VF has been dead for years and I am sure VF6 will be just VF4 rehash again with a focus "modern" features like some lobby with avatars and other crap. The genre is not exciting anymore.
>no thread
lets fix that
And if you added a Sega CD, you would get a full on Saturn. (with a few drawbacks, such as a lower CD read speed and less battery memory) Think it could have had any success if it had been that?
>Blasterball 2
>Polar Bowler
>Polar Golfer
>FATE
>Blackhawk Striker 2
https://laingame.net/
![dbgtbout-1651430927647[1]](https://i.4cdn.org/vr/1731865956128314s.jpg)
Who else here loves EverQuest?
>Links
Retro sizer https://retrosizer.com/
Retro handhelds spreadsheet https://pastebin.com/ZyqXr19r
SoC Comparison https://versus.com/en/mobile-chipset
>Where to buy
Aliexpress, gogamegeek, litnxt, keepretro, mechdiy, Anbernic/retroid store
>Before you buy
- Handhelds come with low quality SD cards. Back them up, throw them away, buy new ones.
- It takes some tinkering. You better have bare basic desktop knowledge on how to unzip files and put them in folders. We are not here to teach you how.
- Overall quality of these products is very cheap.
- Reviewers get free handhelds, caveat emptor.
Previous: >>11387060
Doom/Quake/Duke/Heretic/Hexen/Unreal/Sam/Half-Life/etc
Gameplay, WADs/Maps/Mods, Source Ports
All other 90s FPS welcome
~ Let's post like gentlemen ~
FAQ/GENERAL GUIDE
https://rentry.org/vrbin
SO YOU WANT TO PLAY SOME FUCKING DOOM
(or Quake, Duke, Marathon, Deus Ex)
https://imgur.com/a/wWS8zXz
Same thing, in video format:
https://youtu.be/ietb4JwaaXA
https://youtu.be/DhOjleMqwdQ
https://youtu.be/CGj4gXyCzg0
== GAMES/RESOURCES ==
DOOM Quickstart (IWADs etc): https://mediafire.com/file/wuniyrhsjjgq4y8
QUAKE Trilogy FAQ: https://pastebin.com/Ucb11XhU
PortaDOOM:
https://github.com/Kroc/PortaDOOM/releases/
DOOM Shovelware:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Xy-YDWytlEa2CS9rit-PUgcieh4MrGzR
HALF-LIFE (GoldSrc) Anthology:
https://mega.nz/file/GRUCGbAY#RhOiqxnf7UPOiXcJNbRh-prKIEVRhjJaEpAkt34lyZg
4CHAN DOSPACK + Win98 games (pre-configured):
https://mega.nz/#F!3t8nzSIS!947kyMN6Z80f8HS7q2XlqA
Assorted /vr/ shooters, mods, etc:
https://mega.nz/#F!QXIk1bjB!NHRWGIfjcc77PyGgRlga4Q
https://mega.nz/#F!GtEQTISJ!CCJGyPEEEsZasc1PMXicUA
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ppJLNvQEPfP4FsOCQBak1TMvPUIswCac
== INFO/LINKS ==
OFFICIAL DOOM WIKI
https://doomwiki.org/
WHERE TO FIND WADS
Vanilla/Boom: https://doomworld.com/forum/4-wads-mods/
ZDoom: https://forum.zdoom.org/viewforum.php?f=19
/idgames: https://doomworld.com/idgames/
MODDING RESOURCES
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewforum.php?f=37
https://realm667.com/
== /VR/DOOM COMMUNITY ==
THREAD ARCHIVES
https://desuarchive.org/vr/search/text/"doom thread"/type/op/
OUR WADS/MODS
https://rentry.org/vrdepot
MAKING NEW THREADS PROPERLY
https://pastebin.com/8mDnrsrB
IMAGE/WAD DATABASE
https://vrdoom.booru.org/
https://clovr.xyz/wadsup/
MULTIPLAYER SERVERS
US West: https://clovr.xyz/
CA/US Midwest: https://macgu.fun/
https://youtu.be/QdIdvUOHsk8?si=U7uUnyeMzr7jy2iD&t=85
>empty overworld with nothing to do and just wastes your time for minutes at a time
>hours of unskippable cutscenes that are very badly animated, and the story isn't even good
>the aiming controls are awful
>the controls are pretty bad in general; the arc when turning just sucks and the context-sensitive inputs don't even work when you want half the time
>extremely overrated soundtrack that blends together; you might like these repetitive loops if you have autism
>fans deny all these issues, declaring it flawless and the best game ever made
Happy 26th birthday Ocarina of Time!
>comes back with one of the worst FF games of all time as a Nintendo exclusive for 6th gen
Why does Square hate them so much?
6.5/10 on PS1
I hindsight it is flawed, but it had a great idea.
>Final Fantasy VII is no different from the last game in terms of execution
>the movie scenes are separated by much too long periods of play
>the dialogue scenes are slow and boring
>the plot is advanced more through a character's dialogue than his or her actions
>slow system for battles
>Final Fantasy VII is far from the near masterpiece that game critics and fans have been calling it
Has any FF7fag been able to refute him?
I will try to reply to everyone, as long as I have at least something to say about the games you're playing.
I myself, have been playing Streets of Rage 3, yes the US version because I like the yellow and black Axel colors.
Made it to stage 5, I get closer further each time. It's a hard game!
Anons will try and help you find that elusive title.
I'll start:
Horizontal shoot em up, but the gimmick was once you die you don't gameover but you instead switch into a more difficult "lane"/level of the game. IIRC this happens twice before you actually game over and each time you die the game becomes harder.
![s-l1200[1]](https://i.4cdn.org/vr/1732044381937965s.jpg)
Do you still enjoy it?
I'm playing the GT World Championship in GT4 and I just spun out from getting red tires in the middle of an El Capitan lap. Two of the rival cars didn't even need a pit stop.
>that music
Aladdin PSeX for me
They were wrong!
-Metal Gear Solid was OoT of stealth
-Half Life 2 was OoT of FPS
Grand Theft Auto San Andreas was OoT of open world
-Final Fantasy 7 was OoT of RPG
-Warcraft 3 was OoT of RTS
-Tony Hawk Underground was OoT of sports
-Midnight Club 2 was OoT of racing
did I miss any important ones?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjhAS5KRCCQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj43daqqgZY
Here are my priorities, in order of importance:
>actually works
>wireless
>shaped like OG N64 controller
What are your favorite moments and memories of this game and its sequels? What was it like to play for the first time? Or have you even played it yet? If not, now is as good of a time as ever to pick it up and experience this monumental, yet forgotten piece of FPS history. You don't play, you volunteer.
>The side content becomes impossible to play because everybody hates you
![1634424523375[1]](https://i.4cdn.org/vr/1731794568803686s.jpg)
>Liquid kids (PCE)
>Snowbord kids (N64)
>Toilet kids (PCE)
>Virtua Fighter Kids (SS)
>no gun
>no jet pack
>no enemies
>no anything
Wow great “game” guys
Should I get the pixel remaster? When trying it out, I downloaded the ROMhack that restores the censored stuff and other things, but I just hate playing on my computer. I would have had a second sitting with it but I just didn't feel like moving my work computer at the end of the day and hooking my personal one back up to my monitor to continue playing. The pixel remaster is on sale now, and I could put it on my Switch and be comfy, but I wouldn't get patrician eroticism like pic related. Are the quality of life features worth not having booba?
There is something about building huge empires and armies from nothing and let them fight against others and enjoy the bloodbath. And micromanage every little thing.
Building shit. Destroying shit. They're the closest genre to make you feel like god himself. For autists it's crack. There is excitement every second.
>inb4 hurr gook clicker
I don't even fucking play multiplayer. Just pick the difficulty you're comfortable it. Too fast and too slow is both shit.
>Momotarou Densetsu Gaiden
DQ clone by Hudson, it was first released on GB in Dec 91, then ported to PC-E in Dec 92 and finally ported to Famicom in Dec 93. Outside of the technical pros & cons of each platform, the game seems to be identical on all 3. Technically the PC-E version is the best, it has more colours, backgrounds during encounters, fights seem to be faster paced (the pauses for the text are shorter) and after all what better way to play a Hudson RPG than on Hudson's console. However I played the FC version, and despite the extra colours of the PC-E version, I actually enjoy how the game looks better on FC but I'll admit it may be system fanboyism.
The game is divided into 3 distinct chapters, which can be played in any order or even at the same time since they each have their own save slots. The game is set in the world of Momotarou Densetsu, Hudson's FC RPG from 87, one of the first really successful DQ clones, which itself is based on old Japanese folk stories but with a comical take. Momotarou himself is only an NPC in this game, each scenario consists of its own "gaiden" story.
Bimbogami's scenario: the player controls the god of Poverty, since there is only one character this scenario is the one that ressembles DQ1 the most and it's also the shortest of the three. The story deals around a greedy king making his kingdom miserable, and the God of Poverty must change that (by making him come to his senses using violence). This scenario's unique mechanic is that damage dealt turns into money, which you will need for various ends. The scenario consists of 1 small overworld, 2 towns and 1 final dungeon. [cont]
Emulation, playing "remasters" on modern consoles...it's incredible how tech in general so much more advanced, yet it still can't replicate the feeling.
What do you think? Can you relate to this feeling?
I tried one of those cheap Chinese white converters and it can't do it properly either. It claims to support PAL60, but the colors through it still look messed up, just in a different way. Image quality isn't good either. I looked at a bunch of online marketplaces local to my country, cannot find any other ones (even used) with RCA input and output. The only ones I found use RF for input and I really don't want to use RF on a 6th gen console.
Gameplay and development discussion:
What homebrew / hacks are you playing /vr/? Are you working on anything? Would you like to learn? Projects and questions welcome.
Active Communities:
romhackplaza.org
romhackheaven.com
smwcentral.net
metroidconstruction.com
retrohackers.net
neoromhacking.net
romhack.ing
romhacking.net
gbatemp.net
sonicretro.org
mariopartylegacy.com
pokecommunity.com
baddesthacks.net
pouet.net
Huge Community List:
pastebin.com/edWKBJqn
IPS/BPS Patcher:
romhacking.net/utilities/1040
Huge Archive:
archive.org/download/En-ROMs/En-ROMs/
Other Archives:
archive.org/details/rom-hack-patch-archive
mediafire.com/folder/50m95vbbuyf25/vr's_ROM_>Hack_Recommendations
archive.org/details/hbmame_0244_roms
Quality of Life Improvements:
https://pastebin.com/4gmM7wc6
Desplash Patches:
mega.nz/folder/FZtzjZJa#qtrGXSbVNjiXUrnGUGSVMw
AtariDev:
forums.atariage.com
NESDev:
wiki.nesdev.org
forums.nesdev.org
SNESDev:
snes.nesdev.org/wiki/Main_Page
github.com/alekmaul/pvsneslib
wiki.superfamicom.org
N64Dev:
n64dev.org
n64vault.com
GC/WiiDev:
devkitpro.org
github.com/devkitPro/gamecube-examples
SegaDev:
smspower.org
MegaDev:
gendev.spritesmind.net/page-doc.html
github.com/Stephane-D/SGDK
SaturnDev:
antime.kapsi.fi/sega/docs.html
segaxtreme.net
jo-engine.org
DCDev
dreamsdk.org
PSXDev:
psxdev.net
problemkaputt.de/psx-spx.htm
PS2Dev:
github.com/ps2dev
XboxDev:
xboxdevwiki.net/Main_Page
GBDev:
gbdev.gg8.se/wiki
GBADev:
forum.gbadev.org
github.com/pret
forums.serenesforest.net/index.php?/topic/26913-nintenlords-hacking-utilities
VBDev: virtual-boy.com/development/
Amigadev: eab.abime.net
PC98Dev:
hackipedia.org/browse.cgi/Computer/Platform/PC,%20NEC%20PC-98
target-earth.net/wiki/doku.php?id=blog:pc98_devtools
Why don't we have a general for Zelda Classic like we do Doom?
Every generation up to the fucking PS3, major second-hand sellers like CEX and faggots on ebay are selling (or trying to) every remotely "retro" consoles at triple digit prices.
Who the fuck IRL is buying PSPs and PS2s for insane prices?
I went to Japan recently and found that this disease has spread over there as well but I could still find retro games at reasonable prices compared to here. (I wish I could read japanese).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1ZQpDizT7g
Something like binding skills to 1-0 would have been nice, or being able to edge pan the camera away from my character.
Besides that, if I had criticisms it would be how shit the trade window is cause offloading shit to NPCs is more annoying than it has any right to be. Really shows that in 20 years Larian never figured out trading and inventory.
>>11369905
last weekend map download;
https://files.catbox.moe/vjir2h.park
Awesome Downloads:
>OpenRCT2 - Currently the best way to play RollerCoaster Tycoon. We use the latest stable version for multiplayer unless otherwise noted:
https://openrct2.org/downloads
>UCES - includes all objdata files already extracted from each scenario upon loading, and includes tracks:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/7wcrq3xl266d1bj/UCES.zip
>Amazing Earl stuff - adds some custom-made rides and scenery:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/f3jzct5v8kbzdfj/AmazingEarl.zip
>Anon's devkit v0.2
https://pastebin.com/y857FdJH
>4chan Kit v0.3
https://www.mediafire.com/file/dtzvwbcngrh0ghi/4chan_kit_v0.3.7z/file
- - - - - - -
>Knowledge Base
https://web.archive.org/web/20160807005625/http://www.rctstationarchive.com/knowledgebase/index.shtml
>RCT1 Manual
http://replacementdocs.com/download.php?view.1111
>Headless Server Guide (pls fix)
https://pastebin.com/smsQWZtB
>Weekend Parks Archive
https://files.catbox.moe/2h17nx.rar
>Current state of weekend multiplayer: I think we're back, baby!
>most weapons are extremely similar
> the movement, tho not bad, is a far cry from Super metroids greatness
>due to the low difficulty, little to non build vatiety, and linear world progression, the game lacks any kind of replay value
So why does everyone love this game so much? Is it just the music and art direction?
Talk games, what you're playing, give recs, accessories, mods, homebrews, etc.
Been recently playing Operation C and while Contra 3 gets more recognition for its technically impressive downport, Operation C feels like the more thought out game design wise. Both good games, but Operation C is my preferred of the two.
Also have been playing Parodius and that is an excellent version of the game, very interesting what companies were able to push out of such limiting hardware for the time.
i have more faith in sega making a modern port of this game and its subsequent sequels than to wait for incompetent hacks on internetz to finish what they promised to do desu
The junction system was a ton of fun. The only time I felt like I ever drew any magic was at the start of the game when I put together a small pool of spells for Selphie before I had magic refines from the GFs. Once you get the magic refines, killing monsters for items, playing cards, etc gives you all the magic you will ever need. I think at level 100 I spent 5 minutes stocking 300 meteor from a Ruby Dragon for junctioning, but that was it. Junctioning magic to ele/status atk and ele/status def was interesting and felt like it gave a level of customization that is unheard of in the series prior to VIII. I really liked how the girls could use all schools of magic because it made casting magic very enjoyable and dynamic. I ended up using Squall, Rinoa and Selphie in the end, and had Selphie cast Cerberus for 2x and 3x and enjoyed the casting more than any other game in the series.
I adored the "realistic" character designs when contrasted with the chibi shit from previous entries. The summons/GFs also had very nice designs relative to the others in the series.
Ultimecia's Castle was the best final dungeon in the series as well. That place was dripping with sovl, especially compared to that shit hole crater from VII.
This game has a certain aura of magic and elegance to it that I've never seen in any other game. I loved it and think the haters are just too stupid to enjoy it.
>ensures classic games remain playable on modern systems
great! old games occasionally do have issues with shitdows 10. so long as the game is untouched
>compatible with modern controllers and resolutions
err ok I guess. depends how its handled, but if they're adding controller support and widescreen to games that weren't made with these things in mind then they are going beyond preservation
>bug fixing and improvements
wtf. do they not know what preservation means? you either preserve the game or you improve it, you cannot do both without providing both.
this is exactly part of the problem I'd thought they were trying to combat: companies replacing their games with "redux" "remastered"
>but why would you want to preserve bugs?
1. preservation must be warts-and-all
2. the fact is, what is a bug can be subjective. while some things are more obviously bugs than others, the fixes tend to get bundled into one monolithic patch. so, the best solution is to just leave it the fuck alone and let individuals fix shit themselves.
>but don't you want QoL and rendering improvements?
no. again, its subjective and, more pertinently, not preservation
I think the real issue here is GOG is redefining their improved version as the original instead of simply providing both versions, which is very similar to what companies have done with their remasters (one of the differences being that these companies generally tell you it isn't the original).
Meanwhile, they still only provide DOS versions of really old games despite the originals being for other systems, and their presence on GOG actually makes it more difficult to obtain these original versions. This includes games like the original Ultimas, which are possibly the most important and influential games in history.
tl;dr
GOGs preservation program is actually anti-preservation
Steam or should I just emulate? Are there emulation bugs? I don't care about new skits because most of it is animu babble written by interns
Other pieces of the UI also welcome
It's a disappointing game, one that you'd rent from the video store for a weekend, play for 5 minutes, and then return without thinking about it. And bubbles, what kind of fucking weapon is that? Why not a sword or something?
But that's only the start of the shit factor, the real fuckery starts the second you hit the start button, as the first door you enter spits you right back out the same door! What the fuck, where are you supposed to go???
![the-true-dragon-challenge-for-spyro-a-heros-tail-v0-5t5yvhh3ieq81[1]](https://i.4cdn.org/vr/1731971083142036s.jpg)
It just looks...ugly. You see it too, right?
>pacman had normal eyes, not the pac-shaped black ones
>you could press the number buttons to change the graphics of the maze
>when pacman died he would look at the screen and start spinning before disappearing
>not sure about this one but i think it ran on ms-dos instead of being a regular pc game exe
pclards had to suffer through this crap yet have the audacity to claim their platform of choice is better than consoles during 6th gen days
![png-transparent-donkey-kong-country-3-dixie-kong-s-double-trouble-donkey-kong-country-tropical-freeze-youtube-super-mario-64-kiddy-kong-youtube-donkey-kong-country-3-double-trouble[1]](https://i.4cdn.org/vr/1731708147192572s.jpg)
I think they made it intentionally impossible in the PS1 version because Tony Hawk couldn't do one when this happened either.
No I think he did The 900 right before this game came out and he called Activision (the publisher for THPS) and told them to put The 900 in there because he had just done it.
It works.
Anything I need to provide like model or serial to know what hack is the best for it? Thanks.
Thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgBqKzEEG8k
Microsoft didn't make a ton a games at that point so there was no fanbase and online multiplayer was not really a thing until 2004. Did people just buy it because it had better graphics and some PC games?
>Links
Retro sizer https://retrosizer.com/
Retro handhelds spreadsheet https://pastebin.com/ZyqXr19r
SoC Comparison https://versus.com/en/mobile-chipset
>Where to buy
Aliexpress, gogamegeek, litnxt, keepretro, mechdiy, Anbernic/retroid store
>Before you buy
- Handhelds come with low quality SD cards. Back them up, throw them away, buy new ones.
- It takes some tinkering. You better have bare basic desktop knowledge on how to unzip files and put them in folders. We are not here to teach you how.
- Overall quality of these products is very cheap.
- Reviewers get free handhelds, caveat emptor.
Why?
Post your opinions
DK Country
Super Castlevania IV
Contra IV
Demon's Crest
Ghost and Goblin
Zelda
Megaman
Bomberman
Any tactical\jrpg you can mention.
I grown up with Mega Drive and it doesn't look i can find much action games on SNES console.
Why would they make the controls so stiff and terrible? About 60% of this "stealth" game is a firefight and shooting. The storyline is so lame and so are the characters, but I suppose a couple positives are the woman who does Ivy/Rouge's voice and Duke Nukem are in it. What an incredibly flawed game.
The D-pad on this thing is garbage, and you guys are unironically retards.
Why can't manufacturers make a D-pad feel on par with the original SNES at least? NES D-pad was even better. PSX had a better D-pad. And that was thirty fucking years ago.
This piece of shit can't be used if you want precise inputs. Forget about fighting games. Forget about Sabin's blitz inputs.
I've had mine for only a couple weeks and it already feels de-synced.
Comfort level? Hahaha... no. You like clacky noise?
For the love of God, where can I get a good fuckin D-PAD
Post gigachads in retro vidya
![Keiji-Inafune[1]](https://i.4cdn.org/vr/1731983449422370s.jpg)
>no one's talking about it
why?
I wonder if there are any games similar to GoldenEye or Thief that utilize such scenarios. There's a game similar to HItman that scratches that itch, you can be entirely stealthy or go rambo, but I cannot mention it because it's from 2007.
